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Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:11 am

jmh wrote:Wizard no doubt...
No, no... plenty of doubt. :p

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Cary B. Cornett » Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:45 pm

jmh wrote:I have an older trackball with a rather large marble - maybe I should see if there is a newer version with a thumbwheel. Although, there is enough ways to do things, I don't really think about zooming, just do.
In our house we all went to the large trackball (Kensington Expert Mouse) that has a scroll ring, quite intuitive once you get the hang of how the ring works. This model is more expensive than many, but worth it, IMO. The one downside is that you can't get the full 4-button functionality while running it through a KVM switch.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by jmh » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:28 am

Dave Labrecque wrote:I'll get my hat.
Wizard no doubt...

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:33 am

jmh wrote:I have an older trackball with a rather large marble - maybe I should see if there is a newer version with a thumbwheel. Although, there is enough ways to do things, I don't really think about zooming, just do.
I just remember that going from click-click-click or tap-tap-tap to the magic of the mouse wheel was an improvement to the workflow that I never expected and was amazed by. A real time- and flow-saver. Much more Zen.

That is all. I'll get my hat.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:29 am

MMP wrote:And there it is. Thanks Bob! I would have sworn I had checked that as JML suggested, but apparently not. I must have replied after looking at the restored mix template. Duh.
Yesssssss. :cool:

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Thu Oct 10, 2024 7:27 am

MMP wrote:It has shown up during sessions with client present kind of randomly. I would like to find the root cause (if identifiable) so I can prevent the crashes. The blend session is a great way to restore after a crash. But, clients are more comfortable with an engineer that doesn*t have such issues.
I feel your pain. :(

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Bob L » Thu Oct 10, 2024 1:25 am

Sometimes, importing midi from certain midi programs may set the tick setting to a different value than one of the default common values which could be the source of the issue.

Bob L

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:45 pm

Just went and fixed a dozen affected EDLs. I mostly work on SMPTE view, but it seems all recent music projects have been affected, I am not sure how far back.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by jmh » Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:00 pm

Dave Labrecque wrote:Sidebar: am I to understand that you don't use the mouse's scroll wheel to zoom? (Maybe you don't use a mouse?) Dude. I remember that function changing my life twenty (or more) years ago. Try it. You'll like it.
I have an older trackball with a rather large marble - maybe I should see if there is a newer version with a thumbwheel. Although, there is enough ways to do things, I don't really think about zooming, just do.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:35 am

And there it is. Thanks Bob! I would have sworn I had checked that as JML suggested, but apparently not. I must have replied after looking at the restored mix template. Duh.
Bob L wrote:Session crashes here also... but I did notice that as the session opens, there is no setting checked for Tick Resolution... somehow it has a tick res that is not one of the menu selection defaults... picking any of the menu defaults stops the crash here, and saves properly with the session so when opened next time... all seems well.

Bob L

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Bob L » Wed Oct 09, 2024 8:30 am

Session crashes here also... but I did notice that as the session opens, there is no setting checked for Tick Resolution... somehow it has a tick res that is not one of the menu selection defaults... picking any of the menu defaults stops the crash here, and saves properly with the session so when opened next time... all seems well.

Bob L

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:35 am

Thanks for that. At least I now know that it*s probably not related to my system*s monitor or system settings.
Dave Labrecque wrote:Crashed confirmed over here. BTW, the Tempo Mode setting appears to have saved with the session; that's how it opened.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:33 am

It has shown up during sessions with client present kind of randomly. I would like to find the root cause (if identifiable) so I can prevent the crashes. The blend session is a great way to restore after a crash. But, clients are more comfortable with an engineer that doesn*t have such issues.


Dave Labrecque wrote:Could it be a single EDL corruption that got Save As'd into "child" EDLs down the line? If so, that would be sort of a one-off--not worth worrying too much about, no?

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:32 am

MMP wrote:Here is a very small SAW64 session that exhibits the crash on my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/nvxsry2n ... 23dp5&dl=0

I would be curious if it also fails for someone else. Select tempo view mode and zoom all the way in. Does your session crash?

Thanks!
Crashed confirmed over here. BTW, the Tempo Mode setting appears to have saved with the session; that's how it opened.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:27 am

MMP wrote:One track test session still fails.

Blend session does work, so there is a workaround.

I am curious to find the source of the issue, however.
Could it be a single EDL corruption that got Save As'd into "child" EDLs down the line? If so, that would be sort of a one-off--not worth worrying too much about, no?

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:22 am

Here is a very small SAW64 session that exhibits the crash on my system:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/nvxsry2n ... 23dp5&dl=0

I would be curious if it also fails for someone else. Select tempo view mode and zoom all the way in. Does your session crash?

Thanks!

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:20 am

I do use zoom with my trackball. Source of zoom doesn*t matter-trackball, keypad, + & - keys all cause a crash.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by MMP » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:18 am

One track test session still fails.

Blend session does work, so there is a workaround.

I am curious to find the source of the issue, however.

jmh wrote:Maybe disable half the tracks, then the other half. If both do it it wouldn't be a track - otherwise you would be able to find the offender?


If that doesn't help maybe you can 'blend session' to recover your original work.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by Dave Labrecque » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:13 am

jmh wrote:...or maybe mouse - is there a way to thumbwheel in?
Sidebar: am I to understand that you don't use the mouse's scroll wheel to zoom? (Maybe you don't use a mouse?) Dude. I remember that function changing my life twenty (or more) years ago. Try it. You'll like it.

Re: Weird Bug in Tempo View Mode

by jmh » Wed Oct 09, 2024 5:47 am

Maybe disable half the tracks, then the other half. If both do it it wouldn't be a track - otherwise you would be able to find the offender?


If that doesn't help maybe you can 'blend session' to recover your original work.

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