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Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Harold Thompson » Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:07 am

Thanks Bob. In this instance I won't need to link the 2 consoles together, only the 2 SS apps. So it seem that it should work OK.

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Bob L » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:06 pm

If you assign different port numbers to SAW and SAC, then you can remote on the same network and they should stay separate.

I will check into it as I get deeper into finishing the SAC remote code.

Bob L

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Harold Thompson » Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:34 am

I know that the link between 2 laptops running SAW Studio can be done (I have used it many times). My question is can it be done with SS inside of SAC?

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by mako » Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:16 am

Hi Harold - the SAC-SAWStudio hooks haven't arrived yet - hopefully soon.

The linking 2 m/c's via TCP/IP is something I'm sure (from memory) Bob and others have done in the past.

Try TCP/IP search in SS forum.

Good luck

mako

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Harold Thompson » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:06 pm

I have a gig on Labor Day weekend that calls for 40 inputs. I'm sure that I will have to feed a rough mix back to the video truck for reference audio. What I have is a laptop with an RME Carbus and a Digiface box. If I got another RME Cardbus + Digiface setup for another laptop and wordclocked them together that would give me enough inputs. My plan is to use SAC on both laptops and feed a submix from on mixer to another to get the monitoring together. I think that should work OK. My question is regarding the recording setup. Can I use the TCP/IP link to just link the SAWStudio master and slave apps on the 2 computers and not the SAC apps while using the SAC-SAWStudio hooks on each computer?

Harold Thompson
Blackwater Recording, Inc.

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Carl G. » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:50 am

David Vanderploeg wrote:In fact, the specs say you can run up to 8 cards in a PC and 4 in a Mac. I'm not aware of any other manufacturers that claim you can run 8 of their cards in a system. Having said that, I've only ever run one of the LynxOnes (I still use it) myself.
Somewhere - I thought I saw the limit was 4 (on their site)..
since ADAT protocol has its limits (channels vs sampling rates)
Doing the Aurora 8 or 16 is a great option for those that don't mind paying the money. Otherwise, RME dealers are now pushing their MADI systems for channel counts over 24 (12 stereo in/outs)

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Naturally Digital » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:49 am

mako wrote:Carl - the only drawback with Lynx is that, AFAIK, only one card can be installed in a m/c.
In fact, the specs say you can run up to 8 cards in a PC and 4 in a Mac. I'm not aware of any other manufacturers that claim you can run 8 of their cards in a system. Having said that, I've only ever run one of the LynxOnes (I still use it) myself.

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by mako » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:09 am

Carl - the only drawback with Lynx is that, AFAIK, only one card can be installed in a m/c. whereas I know from experience 2 RME's will play together.

cheers

mako

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Carl G. » Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:18 pm

Bob L wrote:I believe the M-Audio Lightbridge will not allow two boxes in the driver... so that is out... unless the driver has changed.

The most proven solution now would still be 2 rme hammerfall cards and 2 digiface boxes... 48 chans and proven to work in the field for years.

Or... 2 Digi9652 cards with no need for the digiface boxes....

Sydek solutions would also be a choice...

Sorry to say... firewire options for this many channels would leave me a little insecure... firewire for large channel counts is just too darn squirrly in Windows for my taste.

Bob L
Rather Naive about all of this...
But why not:

(1). LYNX L22 (2 high quality AD/DA I-O) & with LS-ADAT (16 ch Adat I/O)
(1). ADDA 2000 (or 2 for the 2nd bank of 8 Adat Ch).

Lynx says they typically can operate in loaded systems with 64x1 buffers, which seemed pretty good to me (since the quality of converters is outstanding).
Am I missing something?

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Bob L » Sat May 31, 2008 9:15 am

Make sure to try the RealTime Priority option in SAC... this could get you ontop of whatever stepped on the threads and stop those slipped buffers from happening.

Bob L

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Steve L » Sat May 31, 2008 8:22 am

Just got my new IBM Lenovo LT and tried it out with a FW1814 and 1 ADA8000 ....no joy! 200 slipped buffers after 10 minutes. Reinstalled XP with minimal Lenovo stuf and set up a profile with audio/networking /modem/ etc.
disabled and 1 slipped buffer after an hour or more. Demo'd it to some sound
guys and they loved it.
Going with the HDSP9652 and 5 ADA8000's for the gospel thing. They are going to push SAC themselves and refer the hardware to me...
Gonna go play with my Profire and 2 ADA8000's this weekend.

Steve L.
Audio-Video Electronics
Mountain View Recording
859-623-4406

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by IraSeigel » Thu May 29, 2008 12:19 pm

Fat Cat Music wrote:hello,
I just saw a quick notice about the new madi express card and checked out the RME site
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_index.php

I may have to think about upgrading my laptop system that I have been using for several years to this.
DRBurroughs
I, too, was reading about the MADIface, but i really couldn't get a handle on what it does. I need to educate myself a bit on MADI. Is it essentially a PCIe interface similar to a Fireface?

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Fat Cat Music » Thu May 29, 2008 11:46 am

Just an additional note:
The prices range for this system
RME HDSPe Madiface - $1700 - $2000
RME ADI-648 - $2500 - $3000
8 - Octamic II (each)- $1500 - $2000 -

system cost ~ $16,000 - $21,000

By replacing the Octamics with Behringer ADA8000s at ~ $200
then the system becomes more affordable at $5800 - $6600

Maybe I won't be switching soon :)
My dual digiface system looks a lot b etter now
DRBurroughs

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Fat Cat Music » Thu May 29, 2008 10:50 am

hello,
I just saw a quick notice about the new madi express card and checked out the RME site
http://www.rme-audio.de/en_index.php

I may have to think about upgrading my laptop system that I have been using for several years to this.
DRBurroughs

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by DominicPerry » Thu May 29, 2008 10:08 am

Ira,

This thread -
http://www.sawstudiouser.com/forums/sho ... php?t=7215
contains a lot of detail about the interfaces people are using. There are plenty of firewire amongst them. Certainly the RME Fireface documentation says that all the active ports are transmitting, even if you are not passing 'sound', so if you are operating your Fireface in Analogue+ADAT1+ADAT2+S/PDIF mode, you are already consuming all the Firewire bandwidth and getting the same latency if you are carrying one channel of audio or 28.

Dominic

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by IraSeigel » Thu May 29, 2008 9:23 am

Bob L wrote:Ira... yes... the pci or pcie or pcmcia on older laptops with the RME or now the new PciExpress card for RME... definitely not USB for anything serious with audio.

Bob L

I'm returning to this topic because something concerns me. I've been running very light loads compared to some of the others here, using either a Fireface 400 or Fireface 800 as my interface with my laptop.

As I get into heavier loads, will I continue to be able to rely on the firewire interface, or will ExpressCard or CardBus be more stable and reliable?

I notice that not too many folks have mentioned their interfaces, altho I've seen successful reports of both Digiface and Fireface.

Thanks,
Ira

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by kruntz » Wed May 28, 2008 5:40 am

Steve L wrote:I am a M'Audio dealer and was hoping they would meet the requirements
I still hope they'll add multiple ProFire Lightbridge support to the drivers..

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by Steve L » Wed May 28, 2008 4:17 am

Thanks for the replys...I am a M'Audio dealer and was hoping they would meet the requirements. I have used RME in the past so I guess I'll go back and research them again. If this works out for the group they supply the
systems for large gospel concerts and are excited about SAC for the monitor
setup. Just a small demo of it on my shop system had them shaking their heads in disbelief. When I started adding reverb, comps, gates and EQs on the fly they just couldn't believe it. So a potential big sale for me on hardware and of course exposure for SAC in a very lucrative market!

Steve L.
Mountain View Recording
Audio-Video Electronics

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by mako » Tue May 27, 2008 3:39 pm

I don't have experience with large track counts, however, I'm in the RME Digiface camp (ADA8000) and have nothing but good things to say about this setup. HDSPe in laptop and PCI in desktop. (can also run a HDSP9632 in conjunction with the PCI for another 12 I/O).

I also have an older Creamware A16 which has 16 1/4" I/O.
2 of these plus an ADA8000 would give you 40 ch with just one Digiface.
I'm not sure if their output is balanced though. It's very difficult to get any information on these units.

Good luck

mako

Re: What are people using to get 40 i/o

by DominicPerry » Tue May 27, 2008 1:06 pm

Bob L wrote:I believe the M-Audio Lightbridge will not allow two boxes in the driver... so that is out... unless the driver has changed.

I just checked the M-Audio site, you are, of course, correct. I've edited my original incorrect suggestion.

I do know that you can have two Fireface800s and I do know that Echo claim in their manual that you can have upto 5 Echo Audiofires on firewire although I concede that this may be unstable - I haven't tried it.

Dominic

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