Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

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Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Dave Labrecque » Thu Mar 05, 2026 10:03 am

Todd R wrote:I don't find the VST wrapper engage/bypass in that pop-up which was yesterday's point. Possibly that switch resides somewhere else than all the native controls?
Sorry if this has already been covered (it's been a couple weeks :p ), but the Input FX Plugin filter handles that along with all the native plugin automation we've discussed.

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Todd R » Wed Mar 04, 2026 9:49 am

Todd R wrote: I have been using the F-Mixer a lot lately and pulling faders down on F-Mixer is about half the throw distance as Z-Mixer or W-Mixer (I never use W-Mixer)
Quoting myself, oh well

I haven't used the F-Mixer much over the years, and what a mistake!
I hadn't grasped the concept very well, and last week I found myself digging into the user manual.
Holy Toledo, the F-Mixer is packed with info about your session at a glance and gives so many shortcuts; instant access to the Z-Mixer channel, etc.

F-Mixer is a wonderful thing

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Todd R » Thu Feb 19, 2026 4:46 am

Dave Labrecque wrote:Cool! I mean... Frais! Froid? :p
Ooh la...les francais utilise le mot anglais (Americain) "cool"
Frais= "fresh";
froid="cold"

uh, in english, the French people (over-)use the american term "cool"

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Dave Labrecque » Wed Feb 18, 2026 10:30 pm

Todd R wrote:I'm going to say it is certainly a high order of difficulty to write any user manual. Something as complicated as a DAW is doubly difficult.
It might take users 20 years to discover certain functionalities! (sarc)

I should think the Input FX Plugin automation filtering is all by design; and it is smart, just have to arrive at a situation in which user is required to practice that functionality :-)
Is that Input FX Plugin functionality only relevant to an Input FX Plugin? Or does it also apply to Return and Output tracks? I haven't investigated that yet...surely, soon to come

Is it possible Mr Lentini left Return FX Plugin and Output FX Plugin filters out up until there was user outcry for said parameters? We do have FX sections on those channel types.
Or did the explanations just not make it in the Owners Manual? I'll be finding out, because I do have FX on Output tracks.
Insofar as there seems to be consistent differentiation of all kinds between I-, R-, and O-type channels, I'd put money on that filter being input-channel-specific. I bet it's a case of Bob's practical nature deeming the usefulness R or O FX Plugin flilters as low--because: how often would anyone need to automate plugin parameters across a bus like that? Let alone how often would anyone need to filter for those automation entries?

I'm thinking maybe the automatability of the native plugins came some time after the help file had been established--and relevant instructional text for that newer functionality's cool, new view filter never made it in. Just a guess.

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Dave Labrecque » Wed Feb 18, 2026 10:16 pm

Todd R wrote:oui, oui! je suis en France maintenant! Mon francais n'est pas terrible, tu sais...
I've been living full time in France since 2020...and been working from my current residence since 2013
I have income property in the UK.
I moved to the UK in '96 and discovered SAW SE on the shelf at a computer store in '98.
I was born and raised in northern California; high school in Dallas, TX, then back to Cali.
Cool! I mean... Frais! Froid? :p

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Todd R » Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:52 am

Ha!

ok, I'm reading Understanding The Virtual Console section of the Owners Manual again

I realize reading this that I have used further confusing terminology.
for example: "The data next passes through the FX Post Fader Patch. This allows you to patch in SAWStudio native plug-ins, or DirectX or VST plug-ins."

OK, I have been referring to mixer channel automation as "native", and they are...so then the term "plug-in" is required to differentiate between native mixer channel parameters and native SS plug-ins; because they are different things

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Todd R » Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:33 am

Dave Labrecque wrote:I think you're right. There's no discussion (I don't think) in the help file of the individual view filters. But whoda thunk there would need to be? The only one that appears to need further explanation is that last one, which has multiple features that are unique unto itself so far as I know. I'm half wondering if Bob even knows about them! But that wouldn't make sense, right? Surely he coded all that granularity into it. That could not have spontaneously arisen on its own. Right?

Sounds like AI has snuck in! ;)
I'm going to say it is certainly a high order of difficulty to write any user manual. Something as complicated as a DAW is doubly difficult.
It might take users 20 years to discover certain functionalities! (sarc)

I should think the Input FX Plugin automation filtering is all by design; and it is smart, just have to arrive at a situation in which user is required to practice that functionality :-)
Is that Input FX Plugin functionality only relevant to an Input FX Plugin? Or does it also apply to Return and Output tracks? I haven't investigated that yet...surely, soon to come

Is it possible Mr Lentini left Return FX Plugin and Output FX Plugin filters out up until there was user outcry for said parameters? We do have FX sections on those channel types.
Or did the explanations just not make it in the Owners Manual? I'll be finding out, because I do have FX on Output tracks.

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Todd R » Wed Feb 18, 2026 8:26 am

Dave Labrecque wrote:Todd, are you really in France? Polly voo frahnsay?
oui, oui! je suis en France maintenant! Mon francais n'est pas terrible, tu sais...
I've been living full time in France since 2020...and been working from my current residence since 2013
I have income property in the UK.
I moved to the UK in '96 and discovered SAW SE on the shelf at a computer store in '98.
I was born and raised in northern California; high school in Dallas, TX, then back to Cali.

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Dave Labrecque » Tue Feb 17, 2026 4:23 pm

Todd R wrote:I think actually understanding the various functions of the Input FX Plugin is a black hole in the SAW User Manual, and that's where we started. And between us have revealed to ourselves what the "special feature"s of the Input FX Plugin is :-)
I think you're right. There's no discussion (I don't think) in the help file of the individual view filters. But whoda thunk there would need to be? The only one that appears to need further explanation is that last one, which has multiple features that are unique unto itself so far as I know. I'm half wondering if Bob even knows about them! But that wouldn't make sense, right? Surely he coded all that granularity into it. That could not have spontaneously arisen on its own. Right?

Sounds like AI has snuck in! ;)

Re: Automation of Same Colored Controls In Same Area Challenge

by Dave Labrecque » Tue Feb 17, 2026 4:06 pm

jmh wrote:Offset mode? ...but that's not what you were getting at.
you, you, and me...

There's simply too much to retain. And I find these forum discussions essential to learning.
Hear, hear.

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